|
Comments:
raymond - 2004-12-15 10:42:40 You raise a good question, Raymond: I'm not sure if the Thomas More Law Center will go down to Florida along with the rest of Ave Maria in...2007 I think it is. Hm. I don't want people to be reading newspaper stories beginning, "--AP YPSILANTI: Fanatical lawyers from this backwards Michigan hamlet somewhere in the wilds of Michigan..."* * * * * * * * * * * * Eric * - 2004-12-15 10:58:22 No matter what side you come up on, no one can answer the questions of what existed before the Big Bang or where a superior being come from, so it's pretty pointless to get too excited over it all. If Monaghan wants to do something constructive, he should work to bring back the Noid. P.S. The Law School isn't going anywhere. Only the undergrad stuff is. Regardless, the Thomas Moore Law Center is in AA and all press releases come from there.* * * * * * * * * * * * yd - 2004-12-15 11:04:08 Dominoes sucks. So does Monaghan. At least they restored a couple rotting houses on Forest before they left.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 11:06:54 Thanks for the Law School clarification Eric *. The reason I do get excited about it all is that this is not happening in a vaccuum. Students who have been inculcated with this stuff in school are the social policymakers of tomorrow. And it just makes me itch in general that at this point in human history, with so many wonders being unlocked by the human mind, like genome sequences, such primitive, superstitious nonsense as I.D. even exists.* * * * * * * * * * * * Ypsidweller - 2004-12-15 11:07:04 Ypsi is a booming metropolis compared to, let's see...Temperance..Just Kidding Eric* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 11:07:48 Temperance? No way. I grew up in Temperance, just north of Toledo. Eric *, are you from Temperance?* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 11:09:26 Oops, sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread. Just was surprised, there. Back to the topic.* * * * * * * * * * * * Ypsidweller - 2004-12-15 11:09:32 What are gnome sequines? Do I sew em on my jacket or are they for midgets only?* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura (smiling) - 2004-12-15 11:10:23 (reflects that any time she needs cheering up she just needs to come here to the blog).* * * * * * * * * * * * Eric * - 2004-12-15 11:13:23 I don't think the existence of religion is mutually exclusive to genome sequences. If someone can prove to me that I evolved from single-celled organisms, great. Just tell me where those came from. Out of thin air? Like Jesus? People are going to believe the fairy tale with the best plot.* * * * * * * * * * * * The Dude - 2004-12-15 11:20:19 I am a nihlist. I believe in nothing. And I abide.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 11:26:22 Eric *, if you don't think religion is mutually exclusive to genome sequences, may I remind you that it was just a few years ago that the Church formally admitted that, well, yes, the Earth revolves around the sun. "E pur si muove." Not all people are going to believe the fairy tale with the best plot. Some try to be rational.* * * * * * * * * * * * yd - 2004-12-15 11:34:27 I still believe in fairy tales.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 11:47:04 (quietly wonders how a nihilist can believe in fairy tales, but realizes it's none of her business).* * * * * * * * * * * * Dan Arbor - 2004-12-15 14:04:13 Actually, YD had the wrong poster. I currently live in Temperance, but I grew up in Ann Arbor. That clarified, I do agree that Monaghan and his ilk are definitely as much of a problem as all of the other "experts" who promote their own little proprietary versions of reality known collectively as "creation science." I am not atheist, but I do value reason, the scientific method, and the rational. I personally don't believe that religion and science are mutually exclusive, and I think the hallmark of intelligence is the ability to encounter new ideas with an open mind, and draw conclusions from experience and knowledge. As Eric * said, the state of things prior to the Big Bang is basically unknown, all speculative theories notwithstanding. Who's to say that the Big Bang was not set off by xxxx (insert relevant deity here)? But, whether or not your spark at the beginning had sentience or not, to ignore demonstrable scientific fact (evolution, geology, cosmology) is to wallow in inexcusable ignorance. To deliberately obscure or refute said science in accordance with a subjective political agenda or theosophy is an aberration. * * * * * * * * * * * * leighton - 2004-12-15 15:07:36Us atheists, agnostics and Jesuits should form a Fellowship and kick the shit out of Monaghan's goblins.* * * * * * * * * * * * raymond - 2004-12-15 15:13:21 I had a lesson in Temperance Saturday night. An evening of wine-sipping evolved into a night of wine-guzzling. By God, the Devil made me do it.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 15:14:32 Dan Arbor, you very articulately make your point--nicely said. There are some rather amazingly good writers who kindly visit this blog. Leighton, I know of a Jesuit weekend-retreat house (for members of the public who want to do the retreat) in Detroit that serves lobster. That is apropos of nothing, I guess--but the only Jesuit-related tidbit that sprang to mind. At any rate, my impression of Jesuits is that, like many Catholics I've met, they are remarkably open-minded. I could be wrong. Raymond: how funny. You do wonder if that's a quaint moralistic 19th-century name.* * * * * * * * * * * * raymond - 2004-12-15 15:22:45 Years ago I had friends who lived in the Jesuit residence at UofD. The dining room there was to my mind the best place to eat in Detroit. Yum. I visited one of those friends, a priest/mime, later at a grand estate near Cincinnati, speaking of drinking too much wine. The eats there weren't so go. The Jesuits in Ohio had a flunky from the diocese to do their cooking and washing-up. The too-much-wine more than made up for the lack of culinary excellence. Another lesson in Temperance. I'll never learn, but I'd better keep practicing.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 15:34:11 Hm. I wonder if that's maybe the same place I heard about. That's quite a recommendation. I'm getting hungry now. I love the term "priest/mime." Well, I was actually semi-invited to the retreat place, sort of--they don't make a big deal out of being a hirsute heathen and it sounded like a good way to rinse your brain out over the course of a weekend. But then I realized it wasn't terribly different from my TV-free, occasionally candlelit house. So I dunno. I'll be visiting Temperance soon, but won't stay long.* * * * * * * * * * * * Brother Leighton - 2004-12-15 16:22:10 I could have been in a rock band with a Jesuit priest. They aren't all "liberal" (John Mclaughlin was a Nixon speechwriter), but they are very tolerant and would rarely teach anything but evolution. Many of them are from Europe and New Orleans, so they can really cook. * * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 16:31:17 My goodness, the Jesuits have made inroads everywhere--all of us seem to have been contacted in some way shape or form. From what little I know about them they do indeed seem very tolerant, as you say, Leighton. For example, at the retreat, you can be of any faith or none. You can attend the religious parts of the program or not. You can stay in your room the whole time if you like. But it sounded like a peaceful, meditative, clean sort of way to spend a weekend, while letting the noise-shaken snowglobe of one's brain quietly settle down.* * * * * * * * * * * * Eric * - 2004-12-15 16:45:13 I was stunned when I learned that John Mclaughlin was a Nixon speechwriter. The album he cut with Miles and Herbie Hancock is mind-blowing. Nixon screwed up a lot of people.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 17:01:54 That was a different John McLaughlin, silly. :)* * * * * * * * * * * * raymond - 2004-12-15 18:42:10 The soldiers of the Society of Jesus have come a long way since the Inquisition hijinks and South American escapades. Ain't P.R. wonderful? By the way, when I was hangin' with 'em, there weren't no females in the dining room. Except the cooks and servers, but who saw them?* * * * * * * * * * * * Vince Prygoski - 2004-12-15 20:27:53 Regarding the town of Temperance...I have a very vague memory of going there once when I was very young and my dad was a high school basketball coach. The team he was coaching at the time was playing a game against the school in Temperance (I seem to recall that "Bedford" might have been the name of the school itself???). It was a very long time ago and I was very young but I do recall that it was right about on the border with Buckeyeland.* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-15 21:13:12 Raymond: Well, that's true. Is there a (truly ignorant question) female division of Jesuits? Jesuit nuns? Vince, I went to Bedford High growing up. Yes, it's right north of Toledo--we did (and do, when I'm down there) go into Toledo to shop, &c. Temperance was pretty rural when I was growing up (my sister's and my big thrill was going to the local horse farm to look at the horses) but is subdivision hell now.* * * * * * * * * * * * raymond - 2004-12-16 11:00:25 As far as I know no order of nuns was ever encouraged to or aspired to the kinds of pursuits of the Jesuits. But what would I know, I'm a Marygrove girl (sic), IHM. I have heard, by the way, that Ave M. students, who have priveleges at EMU's library, are often rude, snotty, and demanding. Religious freedom exempts them, I guess, from standard library policy.* * * * * * * * * * * * Dan Arbor - 2004-12-16 11:54:09 My s/o also grew up in Temperance, and often laments the development of the local farms. Her mom was born there, and she's really seen changes...I watched the same thing happen in Ann Arbor/Washtenaw county, an it really is a shame. This will continue as long as development comes with no strings attached for the developers. They pave, and move on, leaving us to endure the blight. Anyway, so far, we are enjoying Temperance and Toledo is proving to be an interesting city to explore. * * * * * * * * * * * * Dan Arbor - 2004-12-16 11:56:02When did you attend Bedford High? My s/o is curious if you and she are contemporaries...* * * * * * * * * * * * Laura - 2004-12-16 12:00:10 Dan, I graduated from Bedford in '85. "Go Mules." :)* * * * * * * * * * * * add your comment: |